Sunday, July 24, 2011

Losing My Religion

Well, we’re finally here: the stickiest subject (for me, anyway) of the ten parental competency areas. Researchers list religious involvement or upbringing as No. 9 on the Top 10 list.

This is a tough subject for me because I often feel caught between my own beliefs and the warped version of them that is sometimes found in what we refer to as “organized religion.”

I should note that I was raised a Baptist. I attended a Baptist school from kindergarten through fifth grade. I attended church from a young age (maybe 6?) until I was 20, and was very involved in choir and Sunday school and youth group.

Overall, this involvement was a positive thing for me. I developed wonderful friendships and found my religious beliefs to be a source of comfort for me, at least most of the time. However, coming to grips with being gay ultimately caused me to leave the church, initially because I didn’t think my innate sexual orientation could be reconciled with my religious beliefs and I felt out of place.


I don’t feel that way anymore, but have continued to shy away from regular attendance at any specific church because of my distaste for organized religion – primarily, that it seems more exclusive than inclusive, which is not the way Jesus lived his life. I also firmly believe there’s a separation of church and state for some darn good reasons.

Not all churches espouse narrow-minded or downright un-Christian views. I really do get that. I know that the version of the “Religious Right” we encounter in the media is somewhat outside of the mainstream and isn’t representative of all religious people. I grew up in the church with many kind-hearted, genuine Christian people who are some of the most wonderful people I’ve ever met. I just wish more people were like them.

Unfortunately, sometimes, I think the messenger harms or warps the message so much that I don’t want to listen to the message anymore. I am also wary of the kind of indoctrination that leads some people to blindly “adopt” beliefs they may not even comprehend, just because others are doing it. I think that can be very harmful, and as a parent, I want to shield Anna from the negative aspects of organized religion and its unique brand of coercion to adhere to a designated set of beliefs.

So, there’s some context for the discussion here. I don’t want my personal beliefs to overtake the larger issue, though, which is this: Is religion necessary to the development of a happy child and a positive parent-child relationship, which is the focus of our Top 10 list? Should your parenting include religious instruction?

I’m going to say no, it’s not a must.

I'm not saying it can’t be beneficial; in many respects, it was for me. What I am saying is that I don’t think religious education or involvement – whatever the religion happens to be – is absolutely vital to raising one’s child to be a good, moral person with good values and a good heart.

Happy Girl, June 2011

Although religion can help children develop their own moral compass, some of that is innate, and the rest may be taught by word or example without going to church every Sunday. What’s more important, sitting through a service, or going out and engaging in service that helps others?  I know many religious people “walk the walk,” and that a sense of community with fellow believers is nice, but some people merely sit in a pew once a week and go out and live their lives in a manner that is completely contradictory to the beliefs they profess.

Another big concern I have is that, while I want Anna to know about God, I don’t want her to shape her own views according to mine because they’re mine and it sounds good enough…if she comes to believe as I do, I want her to do so because that’s what her mind and heart genuinely are telling her. I'm speaking from experience here.

When I initially embraced Christianity, I did so because my parents did and because the adults I loved and respected in the church did too. When I used to espouse conservative political views, it was because my parents held those views and I respected their opinions. I didn’t engage in any critical thinking of my own until I was older.

I eventually did become a Christian because it was what I believed, but that took awhile. And I ultimately abandoned my right-wing views and became one of those damn liberals as a result of, for once, stepping back and examining my views and asking why I thought the way I did. When I actually and honestly analyzed things on my own, I reached different conclusions about a lot of things. After all, God gave humans the ability to reason – so we probably ought to use it, huh?

And that’s the way it should be. If Anna becomes a rabid conservative, ultra-religious person, well, I’ll just have to deal with that. But it would certainly not be because my views influenced her! Come on, you can laugh, I’m trying to inject some humor here.

Anyway, I think it’s natural for us all to hope that our children learn from us, and that we teach them good values, and that they become like us in those respects. I do too. It’s just that I want it to be because Anna liked the way we raised her and used her God-given intelligence to arrive at her own conclusions, not because she blindly followed our lead.

I want her to know that there is value in all kinds of religions and spiritual philosophies, and that there are a number of similarities between, for example, Buddhism and Christianity. Those connections are fascinating and I want Anna to know about them. I am definitely going to share my beliefs with her, as I’m sure Heidi will, but also explain that it’s just what I feel and that I encourage her to learn more. More than anything, I want her to be exposed to the broad spectrum of thought on the subject and decide what fits for her, based on both her mind and what’s in her heart. And I will support whatever that turns out to be.
Jesus and Buddha, from Jenetic202's Photobucket

Heidi and I actually have been toying with the idea of bringing Anna to church because there is something to be said for the sense of community, and because we both recognize the benefits church can offer. However, it would need to be a Unitarian or other non-denominational/ miscellaneous protestant church with diverse perspectives and traditions in the worship experience because I think that creates a richer experience.

I have a friend whose Methodist church actually offered a course to the youth on comparative religion and had the kids visit synagogues, mosques, other churches, etc. to see what others believe. I think that is really cool. You can bet the kids who became Christians after that experience had their hearts and minds in the right place. What a stark contrast to the kids who grew up reading those tracts with pictures of stick figures burning in flames, and were frightened into “believing” just so they wouldn’t go to hell.

Is that genuine? You know the answer to that. By the way, I’m not making that up – I’ve seen those tracts. I was about 8 years old when I saw one for the first time, and it made quite an impression on me. I haven’t forgotten it. (Check out Haitian Wordless Gospel for an example.)

Example of a Tract, from, Haitian Wordless Gospel

Whether we decide to go to church or not, though, I know there is a lot we can teach Anna because both of us were raised with a strong set of values, and both of us remain very spiritual people who believe something greater than ourselves is out there.


Night Sky, July 4, 2011

Returning to our Top 10 list, obviously, I disagree with the inclusion of religion in the list (especially above keeping our kids safe). Go ahead, people: hit me with your best shot. What do YOU think?

16 comments:

  1. "I don’t think religious education or involvement – whatever the religion happens to be – is absolutely vital to raising one’s child to be a good, moral person with good values and a good heart."

    I completely agree with you.

    Matt is atheist and I'm agnostic, so there is no church going here either.  That does not mean that we don't teach our children good morals.....my main goal is to raise them to be productive citizens who are kind, empathetic people who are accepting of others regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. 

    When they ask religious questions or questions about God, I tend to answer, "Some people believe X and and some people believe Y and...."  I also tell them that they can choose what they believe when they get older. 

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  2. That's awesome. I really wrestle with whether to go to church or not.  A lot of my core beliefs remain, but some of them don't fit anymore - I'm still evolving in this respect.  I just describe myself as "spiritual" because I can't come up with anything better. I'm still figuring out how to convey ideas to Anna - maybe I will need some advice! Sounds like you have a great approach - your kids are lucky. :)

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  3. i am not a huge fan of "organized religion" personally........   i have had the priviledge of having friends from many different cultures and religions and ultimately we all know there is a higher power and so on and so on....... i also feel that belief is what someone tells you......and you believe. our sanctuary is nature and our church is discussion. for you only need two people and a conversation to be at church......... therefore it is then our knowledge of God. we "know" God in our family.  our religious education with ava thus far is at night when we go through our laundry list of ppl who love her we always end with but God loved you first.   she in time will have questions and i will provide her with my answers .......she will ultimately choose her own path one day...........what is right for her and her family. i will use religion to teach uncondtional love, kindness, and faith........ for those are the things that help me raise her to be a productive member of society. 

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  4. if you are wrestling with the idea of going to church for anna's sake........follow her lead. if there is another child in her world who ministers to her and she shows interest ....... then what do you have to lose?  

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  5. Thank you so much for writing this!!  This is where I am, too.  I feel kind of stuck.  I have had bad experiences with the last two churches we attended and now we go nowhere.  I must admit, having an extra morning with no demands is kind of nice.  We were so involved in our last two churches, that I am done with organized religion, at least for awhile.  When you get to the core of a group, you get to see the good, the bad, and the ugly.  I haven't decided if that is a fortunate or unfortunate thing yet.  I believe in being genuine and authentic.  When I see religious people (of any religion or faith) acting against what they preach, it doesn't sit well with me.  Now, I know we are all sinners and make mistakes.  I do every day.  No one is perfect. I get that.  I am just at a point where I don't trust in organized religion to guide me.  I don't think any of us have it all figured out.
    I still feel I have my spirituality, but it is no longer defined.  I am torn with that because I like where I am, but also feel like I don't "fit"...  anywhere.

    I love what you said above, "What’s more important, sitting through a service, or going out and engaging in service that helps others?"
    That is what I want to teach my children.  It's not about taking up a seat every Sunday, but going out and engaging people, helping people, and serving people.  Isn't that what Jesus was doing??

    My husband recently found this quote (that I have been too afraid to post on FB), but this kind of sums it up for me, where I am at this moment:
    "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.  Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." ~ Gandhi

    This does not apply to everyone.  I know there are good, genuine Christians and religious people of any faith in the world.  Sadly, I come across them far too rarely.

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  6. beautifully put. i love it. so far, i've told Anna that god made her special, god loves her, and god made everything. then we've discussed heaven and death. i guess all i can do is answer the questions she has down the line to the best of my ability and encourage her to learn and explore. and i hope more and more christians come to espouse the idea that there is so much we can learn from other religions and cultures. there's nothing to lose.

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  7. I love the Gandhi quote. Unfortunately when the message is commandeered by zealots, it's hard for the genuine goodness and truth of the message to shine through. I feel like I don't fit as well - I am missing more spiritual involvement in my life and I want Anna to have that, but I haven't yet found the place that feels right. I just never want her to go through what I went through, at first focusing on fear - of going to hell (not just for being gay, but generally), or God hating me, of losing my family, etc. - rather than the love that is at the core of the Christian message.  A positive message is key - aren't people supposed to attract followers, not beat them over the head and drag them along?

    I really like your point that none of us have it all figured out. That's one thing that drives me nuts about the religious machine - this, "I'm completely right and anyone who disagrees (even others in my own religion) is wrong and they're doomed" attitude. Who dares to think they know it all? We can study God and love God but in the end, we're not God. I bet the message would be far more attractive to more people if it was inclusive and loving and not divisive and holier-than-thou. I hope you can find what you're looking for too.

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  8. As an antitheist, I recognize all religion as bad. Raise your children without ridiculous superstition and fear of mortality. Teach them to love, to be kind, to help others, to accept the differences between us as strengths, to work to help bring peace and harmony to this troubled world, to do meaningful things with their lives that leave it better than they found it, teach them that we all are on the same side but some of us don't know it, teach them not to fear, lie and hate. Leave religion out of it. Your town's recreation department provides an opportunity for your children to form relationships with others, invite them and their parents over and make you own atmosphere of community or visit your neighbors, but do not go to a church, synagogue, or mosque. All you will learn there is how to be fooled by mystics and fools.

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  9. Wow, this is a tough one.

    I grew up very similar to you, very religious right wing parents, and grandparents.

    Then my parents got a divorce and they made some bad choices in life.  When I was a teenager I still clung to the morals I learned in church, but I started to question my thinking.  Was being a Christian the only way.  This is what I was taught, and I didn't believe it anymore.

    What I do know is my faith is something very personal and special to me.  It has sustained me through serious pain.  This is what I share with my children the most.  That Jesus loves us the most no matter what, I share it because I believe it and know it to be true.  I teach them this like I teach them any other fact.

    Religion is something entirely different.  I have very little faith in it and don't take it seriously at all.  I do take my children to church, and I enjoy learning things about the bible, like a very intense history lesson.  I also really enjoy the people.  We attend a non-denominational missionary church.  The people who come are accepted no matter what, and loved and cared about.  That is my whole philosophy of life now.  I try to never judge, and love people.  I always want to help them and be a good friend.  This is what I think church should be about, and in that sense, I am glad my girls are learning this and it is being modeled to them through the church.

    In my opinion, religion is not necessary to raise healthy happy children.  I do think it is good way to introduce them to the kindness that is in the world.

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  10. You know, I was raised in a religious family, but never made to go to church.  Those don't always go together, so I was really fortunate.  My mum and dad always let us decide, and let us explore other ideas.  I know that value for all life, human or otherwise, was instilled at a young age, and we are all loyal, respectful people now. We don't all go to church, but we all keep in touch and the next generation of our family is incredible!  

    I do attend Church now, but I take core principles for what I believe they are, and accept that, even in an "organized religion", people will piss me off and have whacked-out views on important issues.  
    I am a christian, but I see beauty and wisdom in so many different religions.  I am trying to teach Sev that.  I believe that people are mostly good, and that truth is truth, no matter if you find it in a chapel or somewhere else.  
    I do think it is important that your children know what you believe but still have a solid enough relationship with you to know that, if they differ from you, they are still loved.

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  11. I do think there are valuable things - lessons, inspiration, moral ways to live your life, etc. - that spirituality (not really religion) has to offer, but I do agree that all those things you mentioned that we should teach our kids can definitely be imparted without going to church or without religious instruction.

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  12. And I also love that you're bold enough to put that opinion right out there and advocate for it. What I have wanted with this blog all along is for people with all sorts of different and interesting viewpoints to share them openly and to get a discussion going. Thanks for helping us do that.

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  13. "If Anna becomes a rabid conservative, ultra-religious person, well, I’ll just have to deal with that."

    This makes me laugh out loud because this kinda happened to me!  For those that don't know me, both my partner and I were married before our relationship.  "Uncle Ralph" has two children, one of which, his son, used to live with us from when he started high school up through college and then some.  Though Ralph and I are very liberal, his son became a very active and strong-willed conservative.  Obviously having two "gay dads" his conservative leanings do not dip into social issues such as basic civil rights for all, etc., but it was funny to raise a child that almost ran for Republican offices in our town and used to work as a clerk for our Republican State Representatives.

    It just goes to show you that the important thing that all parents should do is encourage independent thought in their children.  You'll be delighted with how they will surprise you.

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  14. My mom tried to give me the opportunity to go to church as a child even though they themselves as parents didn't on a regular basis, but every time they dropped me off for sunday school or took me to a ceremony I would go into a fit almost like Damien in the Omen movies. LOL.  Later when I was going to school I was invited to go over to a friend's house and it was a secret Jesus party.  I remember making it through it, but never wanted to go back.  Through the years I have sought my own education on various religions and I think not being forced into any one in particular made me want to look at many different views.

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  15. I totally agree with you, and I think this brings up another important point.  

    Often it is Religion that helps people through bad things that will unfortunately at some point be a part of their life.  Whether its the death of a pet, or a loved one.

    I think it is important that children at a young age have some type of mechanism to help them cope with death - whether its telling them that their pet fish went to "Fish Heaven" or some other explanation.

    Obviously eventually as they get older or talk with their friends on the playground they will learn that not everyone believes in the same things as them - whether its God or the Tooth Fairy.

    If you teach your children that everyone has different beliefs they will be more likely to want to learn more about all of them.

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  16. Heidi once joked that she worried Kelsey's adolescent rebellion would be to be a Republican. LOL. We're glad she's not, but we're proud that she's been exposed to a variety of people and viewpoints so she has decided on her own what she believes. The more knowledge one acquires, the richer their contribution to the world, right?

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