Thursday, September 22, 2011

Student Loans Are a Nightmare

Anyone who has kids knows that it's expensive to raise them. But you know what else is expensive?  Education. And I'm willing to bet that there are a number of you, like me, who would find it MUCH easier to provide for your children if you weren't suffocating under the weight of crushing student loan debt.

And I mean crushing.  Between Heidi and me, the student loan debt of our household is six figures.  Our monthly payments combined are more than our mortgage!!

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I'm not suggesting that education should be free - although maybe it should be, I don't know. But I am certain that the costs to obtain a Bachelor's Degree will only keep rising, though the substance of degree programs generally remains the same. And that just ain't right.  (Yes, my expensive education taught me that "ain't" isn't a word.  But sometimes it just fits. So I'm using it anyway.)

It is downright ridiculous that our house payment is less than our student loan payments.  And that's with pretty reasonable interest rates and consolidated loans.  It makes things so tough that I had to forbear on one of my three loans for a year just to afford day care. I still haven't figured out how to repay it in the long term.

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At this rate, that loan won't be gone until I'm in my mid-sixties. And I know I'm not alone there.

What does this have to do with parenting, you ask, and what can we do about it? I'll take those questions in turn.  First, this has everything to do with parenting because students increasingly have difficulty getting the financial aid they need on their own. This means that parents are more and more likely to take out loans of their own to help their kids, or to cosign on student loans.

The problem with that is that if the parents have a ton of debt themselves, it makes it harder to be able to help their kids with college because they can't save much money and/or they would have trouble getting new loans.  And if that parental debt has bought you a job that pays well, you're even more screwed.

We're in this predicament with Kelsey now. We can't set aside much money to help her with college expenses, but she can't get the best federal aid because on paper, we make too much money for her to qualify. (The same thing happened to me as an undergraduate too.) She gets some aid, but not enough. And we can't take out loans to help her either. We've looked for help and scholarships but nothing is going to solve this problem for us, at least not now.

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Again, I know we're not alone.

If it's tough for us to help Kelsey now, I can't imagine how hard it will be by the time Anna is ready for college. And by then, I'm sure education costs will have skyrocketed again unless there is a major overhaul of the system.

It also may be that, as is starting to be the case now, a Bachelor's Degree isn't enough to land a great job.  Increasingly, people need post-graduate education to have the careers they want.  A regular degree doesn't take you nearly as far as it used to.....and if you can barely afford college, how can you afford grad school?

If thinking about all of this is enough to make you cry, don't.  Our government seems to have a growing awareness of the student loan problem. Recently, someone started a petition for forgiveness of student loan debt which has garnered a lot of attention. The theory is that if so many of us weren't saddled with these astronomical monthly payments, we'd be able to spend more money on other things, boosting the economy. That, in turn, would lead to job creation.

It makes a hell of a lot more sense than garden variety trickle-down economics, I'll tell you that.

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If I could save the roughly $700 per month that I pay to my 3 lenders (when I'm not forbearing, anyway), I guarantee you I would be spending that money.  Of course, I'd absolutely save too, which I can't really do now. But there are so many things we need, especially to take care of our house, that we can't afford because of debt. And they can't wait around until we're 60.

I know, I know....it sounds like a long shot. It sounds like wishful thinking, a dream that will never come true.  But we won't know until we try.  So please, whether you have debt or just know someone affected by it, or if you just care because you're an awesome human being, sign the petition here. There's power in numbers. There's no sacrifice involved here. We won't know whether we can succeed until we give it a shot.

Let's do it!
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15 comments:

  1. Gosh.....what a dilemna. Honestly, that sounds pretty hopeless! Why aren't you one of those high dollar lawyers? Maybe you can move into a more lucrative direction with your career? Maybe you can consider opening your own firm? Even if it's just you? There are sooo many advantages with tjat

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  2. You are not alone!  My parents were int he same situation when I went to college so all my loans from undergrad are private (i.e. terrible interest rates).  Loans from law schol - public but still alot!  My loan payments each month are more than $1000 (and then don't forget to add in my husbands).  I would love to see some loan forgiveness - but I won't keep my fingers crossed.

    On a side note - I'll send you a mesage about some information you may or may not have that might help K get some funding!.

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  3. Thanks, that would be great! Financial aid issues this year prevented
    Kelsey from living on campus, which would've been a great opportunity
    for her, especially because she's in an honors program with its own dorm floor.

    I'm not overly optimistic either, but you never know, right? Even partial forgiveness would make a world of difference for many people.

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  4. I know, it would be nice and Heidi and I have talked about the idea of having our own firm someday over the years. But it's so hard to do the marketing to get your name out there and to compete with the established firms. Honestly, I think that would create more stress than we have now, even thought I love the idea of being my own boss.

    As for making more money, there really is a widespread misconception that all lawyers make a lot of money.  I would be living a lot more comfortably without the loan debt, but my salary is probably 1/2 what it should be because I work 4 days per week, I am at a 2 lawyer firm, and I'm in a location where there are a glut of lawyers. It is harder to get jobs because there are so many people to compete against. There are a lot of six-figure lawyers, but far more who have lower salaries than you'd expect.  Salaries in my state tend to be bad across the board anyway. And we need to remain here because Heidi's family is here, and we're both licensed to practice here and don't want to take any Bar exam again. And most importantly, our guardianship agreement for Anna keeps us here.

    Anyway, the major consideration for me when it comes to job selection has always been family and lifestyle- the non-financial kind. I have never pursued a big firm job because I don't want to work 70 to 80 hours per week and be away from my fam. It's a ton of pressure, and I'd rather have financial pressure than be a stranger to my kid. My philosophy has been, what's it worth to have a fancy car and a big house if you're never enjoying those things because you're always at work? Even with the smaller firm jobs that we have, we both always feel like we're expected to work more than we do, like it's never enough. It's just a depressing situation. Most of those lawyers you see driving Mercedes had to sacrifice a lot to get them, which I just won't do.

    But I shouldn't have to be so broke either. Where's the middle ground?  Sorry to vent there, I'm just bummed sometimes that all the pressures of this kind take away the enjoyment of the work.

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  5. My reply to you is above - didn't post where I wanted it to!

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  6. Wow...I see.... What a frustrating situation! I am the type to have made similar choices about lifestyle.....but such discomfort! I am going to throw out some thoughts....cpa's often doscuss how many ppl don't know to analyse the cost of wprking when there is a kid... If you looked at taxes, child care, gas, lunches out, work clothes, prof fees...you might discover you're working for $2 an hr! Haha.... Also...you can avoid many costs working for yourself, ie schedulingmeetingsaround child care

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  7. I understand the issues with advertising....but craigslist can really do wonders....and once you get some good clients...you will get referrals. Each industry is dif...but as a cpa...I got mucho respect & $ working ...whefor myf whereas at a firm I was made to feel lowly and not capable sometimes. Glen is self employed...hate to brag but he doesn't feel like he even has a job! He hangs put in the living room all day. My experience tells mw that it's all about fam time..I have come to appreciate immigrants whose whole fam works and owns a gas station. Also...if ur credit gets ruimed...it's only short term

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  8. Oh student loans, the evil necessity of life for the student who comes from a middle class family that the government thinks makes enough money to fully fund their child's education!  I went to a state university, and while certainly cheaper than what some of my friends were heading to, I still wracked up a little pretty figure in debt, that equals out to about $600 a month.  While I would love to say that I would certainly pay more in general towards our fantastic economy if I weren't setting a side such a portion of my income, I do feel that my education was entirely worth it!  With my degree I have been able to get a job in my field, though low on the totem pole, make my loan payments every month, and buy a relatively new car.  I have started to loosely consider a Masters degree...but that's a whole other story.  I agree that some schools are charging way to much for the education that they are offering, seeing as how I paid half for my degree than some friends paid for the same one.  Paying loans until I'm 60 won't happen for me, and it seems wrong that it should happen for you. I  think something should be done more to control school costs or to increase help for middle class families in terms of grants and scholarships, not necessarily forgiving debt in total, but making one's debt mirror the education that they received for it.  I don't know what Kelsey is looking to do in the future, but she should absolutely look into the SCEP program if she's interested in working for the feds or in the parks! I wish I had! ( thus the contemplation of returning for a Masters...) and I'm also in the process of looking into the Americorps program, which upon completion offers a nice chunk of money towards existing student loans or towards future loans!  Good luck!!!  Hope you guys have a great winter!

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  9. All excellent points! It is something worth considering.....the freedom you'd have being your own boss sounds pretty amazing....

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  10. I think Kelsey is (at present, anyway) going to major in psychology and social work. I'm pretty sure she will need post-graduate education, unless something major changes. I have mixed feelings about my education....on the one hand, I actually lived more comfortably as a paralegal making less $, just because I had less debt and therefore more disposable income. I also didn't get the salary jump one usually does when moving from legal assistant to lawyer.  So sometimes I feel a twinge of regret.

    Mostly, though, I think it was worth it.  A JD opens doors and gives you lots of options, even outside of the law. So it is definitely an investment....I just feel disillusioned sometimes because my future isn't what I pictured.  But I'm sure that's true of a lot of people!!

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  11. We've had this discussion before... If you pictured a future where you worked all the time and didn't have children, do you think you would be happier?  I don't think so..  Obviously I think you pictured a middle ground where, perhaps you had the life you do now but with less debt.  But at the end of the day I think you are much happier now and have so much more than money could ever buy.

    Maybe soon if you are able to have more of your time dedicated to work changing jobs might help you out.  You will have more flexibility in the future.

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  12. I think you have answered your own question.  I think that middle ground you seek is within reach for you guys - but to get there might require some changes that I think won't be as hard as you think.

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  13. Have you taken the Multi-State Bar Exam?

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  14. You're right - i AM much happier this way. :)

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  15. Yes everyone who takes the Bar takes the multiple choice MBE (one day for that, one day for essays). But most states require you to take the whole thing again, not just the state-specific essays. I hated the MBE because I'm a much better at writing essays than I am at multiple choice.

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